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Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.06.30 19:02:00 - [1] Having read a little about this incident, sounds to me like this wasn't an accident. 1-You don't point your weapon at someone you don't intend to kill 2-Blanks don't look like live rounds, and besides, you need an attachement at the end of your gun for blanks to works (Blank Firing Accessory or BFA for short... at least you need one on M16/C7 family of rifles, maybe not on FAMAS). 3-You'd think he would have stopped firing after the first few people got shot... not after 17.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.06.30 19:34:00 - [2] Originally by: CryoHead Could have started out as a prank ie someone replaced the ammo. Only the prankees weren't laughing. That's not the type of prank you pull in the army. Originally by: CryoHead As for the soldiers themselves doing it intentionally, I simply can't believe it, surely they had to be aware that they would be sentenced to life. A wonderful prospect to live out your life in prison. It was only one dude.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.07.01 00:37:00 - [3] Originally by: Shadowsword 1/ Usually, when you're part of a simulation and you think your gun isn't loaded, you DO point it at "targets". Yes, though civvies watching would not fall under that category. Originally by: Shadowsword 2/ Granted, yet what if, for the sake of argument, the first visible round of the magazine was a blank, and the others were not? Would you realise the difference in the middle of a training session? I'm going to go on a limb here and assume that the French army recieves its 5.56mm ammo in 30-round cardboard boxes like we do, meaning that you have to load them yourself into your mags, meaning that you'd more than likely notice the pointy bullets (blank rounds aren't pointy). Originally by: Shadowsword 3/ Testimony stated that firing stopped as soon as someone realised there was blood. There was a crowd of spectators of more than one thousand, which means several ranks deep. Do you believe rounds designed to kill mens protected by anti-ballistic jackets would stop in the body of the first "soft" target they touch? We're not speaking about a small handgun here, but about a modern assault rifle. The bullet would go through and hit the men behind him. And very possibly wouldn't stop there... Actually, yes, even FMJ (full-metal jacket) rounds usually stop in one body, even unarmoured ones. It DOES happen that they will go straight through, but this is not usually the case. Originally by: Shadowsword I'm not trying to excuse this, someone's going to pay. But nothing I saw even suggest premeditation. Personnally, I HOPE it's premeditation. To me that's more of a comfort than gross negligence.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.07.01 01:19:00 - [4] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Deschenus Maximus, the caliber is what judges whether a round will go straight through... a 5.56x41mm tends to tumble and fragment so they usually don't kill 2 people with one round... The 7.62x51mm round on the other hand will go through a tree, through 2 people, and kill the guy behind those 2... all without any deviation in trajectory... all depends on the weapon. The French use the FAMAS, which fires the NATO 5.56x41mm round but there's a catch... it's an automatic rifle that spits out 900 rounds/minute Erm, ok. And?
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.07.01 02:32:00 - [5] Originally by: goodby4u Well, its possible the person incharge of the training exercise wanted it to be more"real". I know that would be out of the question in america, but ive never talked to a french soldier before so meh. If you don't have a BFA on, you have to re-cock your weapon after every shot, which would defeat the purpose of looking "more real".
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.07.01 02:44:00 - [6] Hmm, just did a bit of research, and the FA-MAS' blowback operation (as opposed to gas-operated) wouldn't necessitate a BFA to fire, so that only leaves the question as to how live rounds got in that weapon in the first place.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.07.01 03:04:00 - [7] Originally by: pwnedgato Thing is crankier than the M-16 when it comes to maintenance though. Good GOD!
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.07.01 03:11:00 - [8] Originally by: pwnedgato I've heard newer versions are nice and reliable, but tis the usual story on that/ Well, if they are anything like their C7 cousins, they're probably pretty reliable. Was just joking wrt the old stigma that plagued the M16 family since Vietnam.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.07.01 15:46:00 - [9] Originally by: Ryan Scouse'UK meh - who cares? Frogs dead .. You're an idiot.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.07.01 16:55:00 - [10] Originally by: Great Artista French army... jeez.. Stupid comment is stupid. ALL armies have NDs.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.07.01 17:55:00 - [11] Originally by: Great Artista Don't agro man, its just that french army is the army everyone mocks by default, let them fail or not. It just ticks me off. I'm not even French.

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